The media typically portrays the nymphets who exchanged money to "massage" Jeffrey Epstein and/or have sex with him as victims, but a number of people opine, mostly behind closed doors, that those nymphets were not victims but were teen prostitutes.
For example, Stuart Pivar, co-founder of New York Academy of Art, author of Lifecode: The Theory of Biological Self-Organization, industrialist and who acted "[...] as a sort of art consultant to Epstein" opined in an interview with Leland Nally for Mother Jones:
What Jeffrey did is nothing in comparison to the rapes and the forceful things, which people did. Jeffrey had to do [it] with a bunch of women who were totally complicit. For years, they went, came there time and time and time again.
Interestingly, Pivar diagnosed Epstein with, "[...] a severe case of what’s called satyriasis, the male counterpart of nymphomania."
[...] he could not help himself. I’ve seen him do things which he couldn’t—couldn’t help himself, he was afflicted with it. If he had tuberculosis it wouldn’t be called a perversion, would it? Because he coughed too much?
[...] probably a lot of men have that for all I know. But none of them have the dough to have underage girls three times a day to work it out [...] Except that he had the money and the wherewithal to work it out, to manage to supply himself with three underage girls every single day.
Who knows how many men have that? And the difference is that if there are other ones who have it, I don’t know, they probably go around raping or God knows what they do. Jeffrey had the money to do it politely—namely, by getting complaisant young girls.
Pivar went on to share:
He did stuff with underage girls who knew what the hell they were doing. By the hundreds [...] What Jeffrey did in comparison with the kind of stuff which gets exposed every day of people who are abusing children left and right and all kinds of institutions? Jeffrey never did anything like that. Everything he had to do with these girls was complicit.
We related in an earlier post:
In addition, Alan Dershowitz, the (in)famous attorney and former Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, opined in a 1997 Los Angeles Times op-ed piece that "Statutory Rape IS an Outdated Concept". Dershowitz wrote:
This is how 14-year-old Mary prepared for her first visit to Epstein's house:
What she's thinking about now is her what she will wear to the big fancy house.
Mary desperately wants to make an impression. This will be her first trip to the house. She does not want to look like a child on this outing.
She picks out a pair of skinny white jeans, puts on a freshly washed halter top that leaves her flat stomach bare [...]
Think of the money, she thinks [...]
The tight white jeans fit Mary perfectly.
In just one hour, Wendy's [an Epstein nymphet recruiter] told Mary, she can make more money than her father makes in a day: "This guy in Palm Beach. He's rich. Very rich. He has an airplane. He owns and island, you know?"
"Yes," she had said, without even thinking about it.
"Hundreds of dollars," Mary had whispered [...] "I can make that in one hour."
But the thought of not going hadn't even crossed Mary's mind. If anything, she hoped that it would become a regular thing.
She knew that it would be more than a foot rub. Wendy had told her that much, at least.
"Remember," Wendy says, according to a probable cause affidavit filed by the Palm Beach police. "When he asks how old you are, say eighteen." [...] "Got it?" [...} "Okay," she says. "I got it. Eighteen."
After Epstein entered the room, 14-year-old Mary [...] removed her pants, leaving her thong panties on [...] She straddled his back, whereby her exposed buttocks were touching Epstein's exposed buttocks.
Epstein then turned on his side and started to rub his penis in an up-and-down motion. Epstein pulled out a purple vibrator and began to message Mary's vaginal area.
Very interestingly, Noel St. Pierre, had no problem referring to the underprivileged Haitian kids who exchanged sex for money in the Dominican Republic as prostitutes. And Noel St. Pierre reminded that the white Floridian American kids are rich compared to most Haitian kids. Thus, the claim that Epstein was taking advantage of underprivileged Floridian nymphets is weak. For example, Wendy's father is a "[...] a self-made man who runs a contracting business."
Approximately two years ago, just after she turned 17 years of age, [Wendy] was approached by a friend named Molly [...] [Dobbs] was asked if she wanted to make some money. She was told she would have to provide a message and should make $200. [Dobbs] thought about the offer and agreed to meet with Jeffrey [...]
In addition, Alan Dershowitz, the (in)famous attorney and former Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, opined in a 1997 Los Angeles Times op-ed piece that "Statutory Rape IS an Outdated Concept". Dershowitz wrote:
"In the absence of physical evidence-such as pregnancy or sexually transmitted disease-a charge of statutory rape generally requires testimony by the victim. But since the sex was consensual, it is rare [...] (if the sex was not consensual [...] it is ordinary rape rather than statutory rape). Thus 99% of cases of statutory rape are not prosecuted."
"[...] there must be criminal sanctions against sex with very young children, but it is doubtful whether such sanctions should apply to teenagers [...] since voluntary sex is so common in their age group"
"[...] the age of consent should be lowered. It certainly should not be as high as 17 or 16. Reasonable people can disagree over whether is should be as low as 14. Fifteen would seem like an appropriate compromise."
[...] the Supreme Court's recognition of a young woman's rights to choose abortion-without interference from her parents or the state-suggests a degree of autonomy that seems inconsistent with making it a felony to have sex with a mature, consenting 16-year-old.
James Patterson's wrote Filthy Rich: The Billionaire's Sex Scandal - The Shocking True Story of Jeffrey Epstein by combining interviews of law enforcement officials who worked on the Palm Beach Epstein investigation with evidence obtained from court filings. Below are three examples, from over a hundred, of nymphets who exchanged massages and/or sex for money with Epstein.
"[...] there must be criminal sanctions against sex with very young children, but it is doubtful whether such sanctions should apply to teenagers [...] since voluntary sex is so common in their age group"
"[...] the age of consent should be lowered. It certainly should not be as high as 17 or 16. Reasonable people can disagree over whether is should be as low as 14. Fifteen would seem like an appropriate compromise."
[...] the Supreme Court's recognition of a young woman's rights to choose abortion-without interference from her parents or the state-suggests a degree of autonomy that seems inconsistent with making it a felony to have sex with a mature, consenting 16-year-old.
James Patterson's wrote Filthy Rich: The Billionaire's Sex Scandal - The Shocking True Story of Jeffrey Epstein by combining interviews of law enforcement officials who worked on the Palm Beach Epstein investigation with evidence obtained from court filings. Below are three examples, from over a hundred, of nymphets who exchanged massages and/or sex for money with Epstein.
Mary
This is how 14-year-old Mary prepared for her first visit to Epstein's house:
What she's thinking about now is her what she will wear to the big fancy house.
Mary desperately wants to make an impression. This will be her first trip to the house. She does not want to look like a child on this outing.
She picks out a pair of skinny white jeans, puts on a freshly washed halter top that leaves her flat stomach bare [...]
Think of the money, she thinks [...]
The tight white jeans fit Mary perfectly.
In just one hour, Wendy's [an Epstein nymphet recruiter] told Mary, she can make more money than her father makes in a day: "This guy in Palm Beach. He's rich. Very rich. He has an airplane. He owns and island, you know?"
"Yes," she had said, without even thinking about it.
"Hundreds of dollars," Mary had whispered [...] "I can make that in one hour."
But the thought of not going hadn't even crossed Mary's mind. If anything, she hoped that it would become a regular thing.
She knew that it would be more than a foot rub. Wendy had told her that much, at least.
"Remember," Wendy says, according to a probable cause affidavit filed by the Palm Beach police. "When he asks how old you are, say eighteen." [...] "Got it?" [...} "Okay," she says. "I got it. Eighteen."
After Epstein entered the room, 14-year-old Mary [...] removed her pants, leaving her thong panties on [...] She straddled his back, whereby her exposed buttocks were touching Epstein's exposed buttocks.
Epstein then turned on his side and started to rub his penis in an up-and-down motion. Epstein pulled out a purple vibrator and began to message Mary's vaginal area.
Very interestingly, Noel St. Pierre, had no problem referring to the underprivileged Haitian kids who exchanged sex for money in the Dominican Republic as prostitutes. And Noel St. Pierre reminded that the white Floridian American kids are rich compared to most Haitian kids. Thus, the claim that Epstein was taking advantage of underprivileged Floridian nymphets is weak. For example, Wendy's father is a "[...] a self-made man who runs a contracting business."
Patterson added: "Americans always want more than they have." Thus, like Japanese teen prostitutes, some would opine that materialism was the consensual impetus to exchange money for sexual favors with Epstein.
Alison
Alison has been going to Epstein's house since she was sixteen. "Like Mary, she says, she was recruited in high school." Alison shared, "I wasn't naive enough to think that he was gonna pay me two hundred dollars just for nothing [...] Like, this guy's not gonna pay you money for not doing anything, not letting him cop a feel or nothing [...] I was like, "Oh...if he does something that I have a problem with, then I'll leave."
The first time Alison went to Epstein's, he messaged her nude breasts while he masturbated to completion. Although, Alison (this reminds me of Euphoria...) refused to remove her panties, Epstein still paid her $300. How many times did Alison go to Epstein's, you may ask? "Hundreds. Hundreds. I was-he used to tell me I was his favorite. He bought me a car. Eh bought me-"
Once again, Alison shared that she was in charge of the transaction details: [...] he asked me to have sex with him and, like, like suck him and stuff [giggles], and I was like, no. Definitely not. I was like, "I'll let you touch me, but I'm not gonna do that."
Alison admitted that Epstein used her but that she used him too. "[...] I figured he used me, I'd be able to use him. Um, I hate to say that, but I figured if I wanted to use him I could. [...] And if the money wasn't there, I wouldn't have ever been in that house."
Alison went on to admit, "[...] Here's the reason I held on so long, he promised me that I would get into NYU [...]"
Alison even took other nymphets to Epstein's, "[...] I brought girls [...] That would do anything. Girls that would just like, suck dick in the bathroom at [high] school [...]"
Alison related some of the items she exchanged with Epstein:
"Like, I've gotten thousands of dollars' worth of shit. Man, the underwear I'm wearing right now, he gave me. Like, I'd-I'd go over there and there'd be a bag of Victoria's Secret underwear, like, waiting for me, like, talking, like, fifteen hundred dollars' worth of stuff. I got a plan ticket from him once. I got a car. I got Christmas bonuses, I got movie tickets [...]"
The first time Alison went to Epstein's, he messaged her nude breasts while he masturbated to completion. Although, Alison (this reminds me of Euphoria...) refused to remove her panties, Epstein still paid her $300. How many times did Alison go to Epstein's, you may ask? "Hundreds. Hundreds. I was-he used to tell me I was his favorite. He bought me a car. Eh bought me-"
Once again, Alison shared that she was in charge of the transaction details: [...] he asked me to have sex with him and, like, like suck him and stuff [giggles], and I was like, no. Definitely not. I was like, "I'll let you touch me, but I'm not gonna do that."
Alison admitted that Epstein used her but that she used him too. "[...] I figured he used me, I'd be able to use him. Um, I hate to say that, but I figured if I wanted to use him I could. [...] And if the money wasn't there, I wouldn't have ever been in that house."
Alison went on to admit, "[...] Here's the reason I held on so long, he promised me that I would get into NYU [...]"
Alison even took other nymphets to Epstein's, "[...] I brought girls [...] That would do anything. Girls that would just like, suck dick in the bathroom at [high] school [...]"
Alison related some of the items she exchanged with Epstein:
"Like, I've gotten thousands of dollars' worth of shit. Man, the underwear I'm wearing right now, he gave me. Like, I'd-I'd go over there and there'd be a bag of Victoria's Secret underwear, like, waiting for me, like, talking, like, fifteen hundred dollars' worth of stuff. I got a plan ticket from him once. I got a car. I got Christmas bonuses, I got movie tickets [...]"
Wendy Dobbs
Approximately two years ago, just after she turned 17 years of age, [Wendy] was approached by a friend named Molly [...] [Dobbs] was asked if she wanted to make some money. She was told she would have to provide a message and should make $200. [Dobbs] thought about the offer and agreed to meet with Jeffrey [...]
"I'll message you," Dobbs had told Epstein. "But I don't want to be touched."
[Dobbs] stated she performed the message naked. At the conclusion of the message, Epstein paid [Dobbs] $200.
After the message Epstein stated to [Dobbs] that he understood she was not comfortable, but he would pay her if she brought over some girls. He told her the younger the better [...][Dobbs] stated that in total she only remembers six girls she brought to see Epstein. Each time she was paid $200. [Dobbs] said at the time she brought these girls to Epstein's house they were all 14 through 16 [years] of age.
Dobbs shared in an interview with Detective Recarey and Sergeant Frick: [...] That was on one of Jeffrey's rules. He had a problem with girls coming to the house that didn't know what they were getting into. He would tell me, you know, "Make sure these girls know what to expect, make sure they know what they want. because when I get in that room I don't want them to-you know-they need to know." And, as far as [redacted]'s case, she knew everything she was getting herself into. It was all volunteer.
Sergeant Frick stated to Dobbs: [...] You've taken girls to somebody's house for the purpose of prostitution. More importantly, more significantly, one of those girls was fourteen at the time, okay? [...]
So, what do you think? With the exception of the nymphets who were allegedly victims of non-consensual rape, are Jeffrey Epstein's masseuses victims, teen prostitutes or both?
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